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GR81
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Location: MN
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 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: KIP 9900 |
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Has anyone placed one yet and if so, how is it running?
We placed a couple of 9000's and they are just a handful.
I'm going to go talk to a customer about a 9900 and I'm just wondering if I'm getting myself in trouble.
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REPRODOGGIE
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| KIP 9900? An absolute beast. Love it. I didn't think they could redeem themselves after the 9000, but they have. |
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MadCopy
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Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: 9900 |
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| What benefits do you see in the 9900 vs 9000 besides developer issues? is it totaly a rebuilt design? Has anyone used the 2300 scanner also? |
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KIPDOCTOR
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Let's wait for a review of the 9900 from a Repro shop that beats the hell out it.
Anyone..........., anyone...................., Bueller...............?
I looked at the 9900 parts manual. The developer unit looks identical to the 9000. If this is true, watch out.
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amandadesigner
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| the shades look good on it so far, but I've had a few issues with the 9900, mostly small annoyances. At the end of the roll the paper sometimes wringles. Also some greys in patterns don't print so well but this could be the file because the majority are fine. So far overall though its working out better than the 8000 and think its a bit faster. |
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scott
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Our print division is likely going to get a 9900. Before this is final, I was hoping to get some more opinions of this machine.
Regardless of opinions, we have to replace a 9800. I don't see any possibility of another Oce. Not if I have any say in the matter.
We looked at it in Irvine this week, I liked it. The grays were much better than the 8000, closer to the 3100's. The solid blacks were not the best, sort of a over toned, developer needs serviced "scalloped" look. I suspect it was more a result of a bunch of training classes screwing the machine up than any real flaw. Can anyone confirm the quality of the solids?
Scott
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dlee
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a repro shop that is a couple hours away. They're not a regular customer of mine. They recently bought a 9900 and just called me last week on how to replenish a new dev. unit that they recieved under warranty. Didn't get much info from them other than that... |
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scott
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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That is not terribly comforting, considering the 9900 I saw had Dev unit issues. We shall see.
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Big Kahuna
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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I installed two of this awesome machine just recently and after about 25K sqft developer needs to be cleaned already. I had someone from KIP come up and look at it but there is no permanent solution to the issue. His suggestion was to have a spare dev. unit and swap it as needed, bring back the bad one to the shop clean and get it ready for the next service call, looking at about 2 to 3 weeks interval. According to him the Japs engineers are looking into this and hoping that they will come up with a miracle solution in the near future. They've been working on this issue since the KIP9000. Customers are not very happy with the KIP 9900 right now, they want to send back the machine to KIP and have them deal with it. This KIP 9900 is a big BS....why did they release it to the market if they knew that there is an issue with the developer. I am a big fan of KIP product but not on this one and the 9000.
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KIPDOCTOR
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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The doc warned you about this machine and it's inherent developer issues.
Oh how I long for the days of a quality KIP product like the 8000. Those were the good old days. Scoop up any decent used ones that you can find. I know I am.
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Big Kahuna
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The only good thing about the kIP 9000 and 9900 is it keeps me employed.
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slyman
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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We should open a new tread for this dev issue !!! but anyway, I just want to let you know that I have 2 9000's machine on the field with over 2m. sqf on it and since I replaced the dev unit modification, I had to replace the dev roller only one time on each machine. The dev unit modif. was replaced at about 50k sfq.
So I thing mine works fine....but you know what ? The big difference between 8000 and 9000 is the density control...they are all off on mine since I replaced the dev. modif.
The machine is a little bit dirtiest than the 8000 but never like if the density control is on.
Hope this will help !! |
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mark in vegas
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Give me a 9800 anyday. Not the most up to date but much more reliable than any of these KIPs. And cheaper to run in a production environment. I've been in the business since 1973 and I've seen my share of bad ideas and most of them were from Japan. I'll give you that OCE's software blows but for the most part, if you're a decent technician your life is much simplier with wide format from OCE. Having said that I think the 3100 is perfect as a walk up plotter. No, I don't work for OCE, I retired after 30 with Xerox and got caught up in wide format. Don't mean to offend but it is what it am........
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Big Kahuna
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OCE' plotters are like the TV commercial about a rotteserie " Set It and forget it".
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GR81
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:28 am Post subject: |
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They use to be.
The TDS400 and TDS600 were the most reliable machines out there.
But they no longer exist.
The TDS700 and the PW300 have just as many issues as the KIP's, Ricoh's, and Xerox's. (we service them all)
The KIP 8000 was a better machine then the 9800 hands down, but the 9000 and the 9900......The model numbers might be going up, but the reliability is going down.
KIP will place them because they make a better quility print then the TDS800, and let's face it KIP software is just the best.
Just place the 9900 and hire another tech. |
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